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34 Verdicts Later, Trump Sits Down With the Fixer Who Helped Convict Him
Trump sat for Cohen's WABC show on Aug. 20 in their first public talk in nearly a decade, framed as forgiveness days before Cohen renewed his pardon plea.
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34 is the number that makes this reunion hard to believe, and impossible to ignore. Thirty-four felony guilty verdicts, returned by a jury in the 2024 hush-money trial, turned on the testimony of Michael Cohen, the former insider who once handled Donald Trump's hardest problems and then helped convict him 9. Now the witness and the convicted man have sat down together again, on Cohen's own airwaves, talking not as prosecutor and defendant but as host and guest 234.
That conversation happened Thursday, August 20, 2026, when President Donald Trump appeared on Cohen's new radio show 23410. It was their first public conversation since a bitter split nearly a decade earlier, a break that turned a confidential fixer relationship into years of courtroom testimony, congressional hearings, books, insults, and prison time 23456.
The setting matters because Cohen is no longer just a former lawyer doing cable hits. He is the host, with a WABC radio show that was launched with a news conference on July 13, 2026 237. Trump coming onto that show put the sitting president in the guest chair of the man who once called him a "Cheeto-dusted cartoon villain" 37. It also put Cohen in the position of interviewer of the man who once called him a "rat" 63.
Cohen framed the interview in advance as "reconciliation" and said the two men had forgiven each other, describing a relationship that is "being resuscitated" 4568. He cited Colossians 3:13 on forgiveness as the foundation for that reset 4568. The language was deliberate, casting a legal and personal rupture as a moral repair rather than a tactical deal 46.
That framing is striking because the rupture was so public and so personal. Cohen went from loyal fixer to open foe, testifying against Trump in court and before Congress 37. Trump answered with contempt, dismissing Cohen over what were described as "dirty deeds" and branding him a "rat" 63. Cohen answered with his own contempt, books, and the star-turn testimony that would define both reputations 379.
From courtroom enemy to radio host
At the center remains the 2024 trial. Cohen's role as star witness in the hush-money case that produced the 34 felony guilty verdicts is confirmed in the reporting on the reunion 9. He had earlier testified against Trump in court and before Congress, and he served prison time in the longer arc of the hush-money fallout 37. That history is why the August interview was billed in previews as an "impossible reunion" 9.
What happened after the microphones came on is also telling. Cohen renewed his pardon request after the interview 10. The CBS reporting around the appearance also references a pardon request in its presentation of the story 3. No grant, timeline, or scope has been established in the reporting provided, and the precise wording and status of the application remain unclear in the available excerpts 103.
The mechanics of release followed a familiar modern pattern. An August 20 interview, followed by teaser and preview material and follow-up coverage on August 20 to 21, with fuller material pointed toward a weekend release 3911. That structure is broadly consistent across the reporting on the appearance 3911. It allowed both camps to test reaction to the images of friendliness before the full conversation could be judged 911.
There are sharp limits to what the public record currently proves. The source excerpts available are truncated and do not include Trump's quoted remarks to Cohen, so any specific Trump line about respecting a recantation cannot be verified or reproduced from these sources. Claims about a January 2026 post on pressure or coercion, about three private meetings in the past year, about responses from New York officials, and about the detailed framing of weaponization are not confirmable from the provided sources.
The deeper question is what changed, and why now. Forgiveness is a personal claim, but a pardon is a presidential act, and the sequence here runs from friendly interview to renewed clemency plea 1046. That does not prove a bargain, but it establishes an interest that any listener should keep in mind while hearing two former enemies describe a shared past. Cohen needs relief that only Trump can grant, and Trump benefits from softening the witness whose testimony secured 34 guilty verdicts 910.
None of that erases the verdicts by itself. A public statement of regret or a claim of pressure does not vacate a jury finding, and clemency for an older federal case would not by its own terms rewrite a state prosecution built around business records. What it can do is muddy memory, giving supporters a simpler story in which both men were victims of the same system rather than adversaries in an adversarial trial that one of them won and the other lost 93.
Known
Unknown
- No verified full transcript, no verified account of private meetings, and no verified coercion claim in available reporting.
Next
- Whether the full weekend recording clarifies what was said about clemency, testimony, and the reason for the reset.
- Whether any pardon action follows, and what offense and time period it would actually cover.
Who’s who
- Donald TrumpPresident, former client of Cohen and guest on Aug. 20 show
- Michael CohenFormer fixer turned star witness, now WABC radio host
Sources
- Trump and Cohen Reunite on Tape After 34-Count Case Split Them
- Ex-Trump fixer Michael Cohen is hosting the president on his radio show | AP News
- Trump appears on radio show of Michael Cohen, fixer-turned-foe, after detente - CBS News
- Michael Cohen reconciles with Donald Trump after public feud
- Bitter enemies Trump, Michael Cohen reunite for radio interview | Fox News
- Donald Trump once called Michael Cohen a ‘rat.’ Now Cohen says their relationship is ‘being resuscitated’ - KQ2 | St. Joseph, Missouri News, Weather & Sports
- Michael Cohen, Trump's former fixer-turned-enemy, is hosting the president on his radio show | PBS News
- Trump sits for interview with former friend-turned-foe Michael Cohen – Deseret News
- Trump ‘fixer’ Michael Cohen chooses bizarrely violent gun analogy to tease his ‘impossible reunion’ with president | The Independent
- Donald Trump Michael Cohen reunion: former fixer seeks pardon after friendly radio interview - India Today
- Trump shares the airwaves with a man he once called a 'rat' — his former fixer Michael Cohen
Revision log
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